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Theory: Hannah and Dad met in Sheppey (or thereabouts)

David Scott — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 08:37:44 +0000

Pro

At least two of Hannah's children (Paul, b. 1949 and Denise b. 1957) were born in Chatham. Chatham is about 10 miles from the Isle of Sheppey.

We know that at least part of Dad's National Service was spent on the Isle of Sheppey, due to a Newspaper clipping from this time, when Dad was a member of the Rugby team there.

According to a document that Steve has located (National Service discharge document), Dad's, National Service was from 13.04.1950 until 04.05.1952, although it is unclear when and how long he was at Sheppey

Contra

There is actually no concrete evidence to suggest that Dad even knew Hannah. Certainly her name has never been mentioned before, and suggestions that Dad knew her or met her are purely speculative

The German Connection

David Scott — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:44:41 +0000

In 1686 Thomas German was born in Ribblesdale, Yorkshire. His Granddaughter Elizabeth (born 1755) would marry Thomas Scott, Great Great Grandfather of Thomas Scott, our Grandfather.

During the Elizabethan era, Queen Elizabeth "imported" German labourers, as experts, to work in Copper mines in the Lake District. The Elizabethan era was from 1558 to 1603. Is their any connection?

The Search for Gladys Greenwood

David Scott — Mon, 18 May 2020 07:25:54 +0000

The following texts are transcribed from Steve's messages on Messenger after he made contact with Nancy Jackson, née Wood

One of Harry & Sarah Wood's sons (William Winberg) had a daughter (Nancy) who was born in 1922. It turns out she is still alive and living in an old people's home in Wakefield. Bearing in mind she would have been 10 at the time of Thomas & Gladys's divorce, I thought she might remember something about Gladys if, as we assume, Harry & Sarah had effectively taken over as Gladys's parents on the death of Florence. I've been in touch with one of Nancy's relatives and she's spoken to Nancy.

Unfortunately William Winberg abandoned his wife and children to go live in Leicester when Nancy was young so she had more to do with her mother's family. She doesn't seem to remember Gladys although does remember Harry & Sarah and also Damaris (if you don't understand the significance of Damaris, just say). I suspect this means that Gladys didn't maintain contact with Harry & Sarah after the divorce and that she wasn't close to that side of the family. If you remember, the story was the Gladys didn't have any relatives at the wedding. That's always seems strange to me as Harry was witness and he had 3 grown up children who should have know Gladys well if she lived with the Woods for 6 years; one of whom (Beatrice) was nearly the same age. There's something missing from this story and not sure what.

It's not completely dead this line as Nancy has a lot of photos from the 1900's and used to write the names on the back. She also keep a 'log' (whatever that means). One of the relatives is going through them and will let me know if they find anything.

Damaris Swift was the niece of Harry & Sarah Wood and they took her in when she was orphaned at 12. That's why she appears living with them on the 1911 census. Harry Wood was a witness at her wedding in 1931 when she was 35. On the 1939 census, she and her husband were living just 2 doors away from the Woods. So the Woods had history of acting at de facto parents for orphaned family members and in the case of Damaris, remained close. That doesn't seem to be the case for Gladys however, who was about the same age as Damaris when she was orphaned.

I get the feeling Nancy, who is 98 now, is failing so maybe it's her memory going. However I'm getting the feeling that the idea that Gladys went to live with the Woods when her mother died, where she remained till she married Thomas, isn't quite that as simple. We'll find out more when the 1921 census is released in 1922 but I dont really want to wait...

Links to further trees

David Scott — Wed, 13 May 2020 10:45:46 +0000

Corbridge Familyhttps://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/86594656/person/42541292783/facts

Blair-Chappell Family Tree
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/78715226/person/42393273611/facts

Marriage to Harry Wood

David Scott — Wed, 13 May 2020 08:04:09 +0000

Name:Sarah Hey
Gender:Female

Marital status:Single
Age:21
Birth Date:1875
Marriage Date:3 May 1896
Marriage Place:Batley, York, England
Father:William Hey
Spouse:Harry Wood
FHL Film Number:1542210Reference ID:Pg 182 No 363 D37/33

William Greenwood

David Scott — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:53:01 +0000

William, the son of Robert Greenwood

Married Mary Walker in 1925
Son Stanley born Jan 6th, 1927

Source 1939 England and Wales Register

Documents

David Scott — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:37:00 +0000

Birth certificate:
Q2 1872. Dewsbury 9b. 633

Residence at Death

David Scott — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:19:34 +0000

According to the death certificate, Florence passed away at 58, Healds Road in Dewsbury. This is the site of Dewsbury Hospital, but only after 1980. At the beginning of the 20th Century, it was the site of Dewsbury Workhouse.

Research further

The Death of Gladys Greenwood

David Scott — Wed, 09 May 2018 10:05:37 +0000

Gladys death has been reduced down to three possibilities, using the following tool: England and Wales Death Index. The 3 possibilities are: Name: Scott, Gladys Birth: ca. 1909 Date registered: September 1942 Age at Death: 33 District: Holderness County: East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 91 Name: Scott, Gladys Birth: ca. 1909 Date registered: June 1949 Age at Death: 40 District: Chelmsford County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 405 Name: Scott, Gladys Birth: ca. 1909 Date registered: December 1956 Age at Death: 47 District: Sheffield County: West Riding Volume: 2d Page: 308

What happened to Gladys after she was orphaned?

David Scott — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:31:09 +0000

As we now know, Gladys was an orphan at the age of 13. Her father died in January 1921 and her mother passed away less than 2 years later in December 1922. One of the many mysteries surrounding Gladys is what happened to her after her mother’s death. As the death is registered in Dewsbury, one assumes that she was living in Batley at that point, although when she moved back to the Heavy Woollen District is also not known. Maybe the death certificate of her mother might shed a little more light into the matter. It is unclear whether Gladys spent time in a workhouse, or maybe in a children’s home. There was one children’s home in Batley, the infamous Hyrstlands School for Senior Girls up Track Road. Hyrstlands was an (Approved School). There were also a few Workhouses in the area: Batley workhouse was situated at the top of Carlinghow Lane on the left hand side (going up) at the corner of White Lee. There was also a workhouse at Gomersal at the end of Muffitt Lane (the building still stands today), and one in Dewsbury (part of the hospital buildings). However there a re no clues as to the inhabitants at this time. There is lot’s of information to be gleamed from the workhouses website (link) but there are no available lists of inmates for the period in question. Gladys did have a living brother, but there is no evidence that they had any contact. Certainly he wasn’t present at the wedding to Thomas, if old tales are anything to go by. On present evidence it seems highly unlikely that she lived with him after her mother’s death.